Well, one reason why my vote still stands is that I don't see a good alternative to HW right now :)
HW is not perfect at all, but its a shit job and shit duty to take on.
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But 290 HBD per day? Thats more than to much.
Didn't check it and there is no Report from Hivewatcher, but some poeple say that Hivewatcher makes only 20$ Downvotes a day. So its 270 HBD to much. No in its more than 270 HBD because only half of 20$ is for the Author.
Also I mentined, that it is Bad for User who Vote and like things like kryptodenno posted.
Also the Argument is false why HW has downvoted. But no answer ;(
I think who gets HBD from proposal have to make reports!
Well. 290 HBD per day might be a lot.
But why are we lot calculating the effort and time? Like, HW's website where everybody can report users and the guy behind HW have to go through the reports/accounts manual to check. It takes a lot of time and he gets a lot of backlash. Not to mention the cost of the website (might not be expensive, but still a cost) and if the bot (spaminator) is running on an online server that also cost money.
I think the biggest issue I have with HW, is that some of the HBD is not powered up to further the DV $$$ & The HP could be automatically voting for burning hive posts which still gives curations rewards..
Back the to funding. $290 USD a Day is a lot. But after expenses, what would the proper amount be for someone doing this?
Servercosts are 100$ max.- per month, not per day. So this it can´t be it. And the website looks crappy and homecooked, so no costs here either.
8700$/month tax-free could be one or more qualified full-time employees, depending where they live. Question is really if 100% of a persons work goes into it, I highly doubt it. And even if, the second question is still, if so much money should go there and no e.g. only 25%, to only deal about real spam and ignore all the questionable cases which HW loves to take care about, to the detriment of many ex-users.
I did look into a Cloud Server & Website and no, its not that much :D
Time & Effort, thats hard to measure or at least the value of it.
And the main issue I have, is that not more is Powered Up, to continue to get "bigger" downvotes down the line :)
Yes, that adds to the dubiousness of this proposal, it basically drains the money out of Hive because the HW don´t build, but most likely sell off.
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As stayoutoftherz said, 100$/Month should be more than enough.
For me, it's like opening the window in winter and turning the heating up to the highest setting.
A lot more money is wasted here than is gained, and the people who voted also suffer damage, which is probably not taken into consideration. It's not just about the person who created the post.
Anyone who understands the complex hive system will understand what this leads to and also what I posted today.
With the money already received, you could have made yourself independent of the proposal. The HBD that will be spent for a year would be long enough for me to be able to run something like this permanently.
Ecency and co have volunteers, why not HW?
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100$ a month is not enough.
As I also wrote, time & effort goes into this. From what I know, HW goes through all of the users reported & the posts submitted. We have no idea the scale of that daily. But that takes a lot of time and even if HW isn't as due diligence as we would like, its still time out of someone say.
Whether they have a full time job or not on the side.
Doing this or stuff like this, on the scale HW is already doing or above should be giving a living wage + the cost of the server and whatever else is needed.
I meant that the $100 would be more than enough for servers.
It doesn't fit that it is said that the pool is milked with the lottery, but here over 100k HBD per year are pulled out. It is out of proportion.
It would be like the state hiring tax collectors for 1 billion who end up collecting 100 million. Makes no sense at all.
And take a look at the two links in my post yesterday. I'm not sure about one of them yet, but the other one, if you think about it, is not right at all and not in the interests of the community. And also copy past or recycling, which would be worth a downvote!
And what is not taken into consideration is that downvoting posts, like kryptodenno's, also harms those who love to see his posts and therefore participate and vote voluntarily.
I don't know who, when and where decided that this type of post is not ok. Apparently a lot of people want it though and you can see from the clear vote result of almost 100% so far that HW is not doing a good job.
Thanks for taking the time to write about it, by the way.
!LUV !PGM !invest_vote
Yes, properly 100$ would be enough for servers.
Alternative it can properly be runned via a witness server and then you just pay a fee for the server use.
I dont know about the Kryptodenno thing. As I have also said, HW isn't perfect but we lack an alternative xD
I don't think it harms the people wanted to see his posts. Because I can shitpost all I want and someone can claim they want to see shitposts, doesn't mean I should get paid for it x)
And who decides what posts to get downvoted? Well, the people who do the downvoting is deciding that.
The issue is HW getting funded, if it was just a big account downvoting Kryptodenno, they could do it simple because they didn't like his posts.
I unironically think that the German Community could cook something up here. Now there are some individuals in our community who should never weild that kind of power, but I do think culturally we have a very good sense for justice without prejudice.
We know that what might be trash to some people might be treasures to others. Also we love having rules and it seems the main concern is that Hivewatchers often seems rather arbitrary. Are Giveaways/Raffles now banned? Is it banned to use templates for your posts or automate them to some degree?
It is the worst kind of Tyranny to not know if you randomly might be the one thats next on the platter and it is tough for us to see so many friends get spooked off hive because of HW.
I would never vote for any German to have any kinda of power in this regard.. I have only met a few German here on Hive, who isn't completely obnoxious individuals and 100% self-centered with voting rings.
Most of the people I have been downvoting lately, have been Germans :)
Haha xD
Its the truth :P
The Germans have downvoted or is downvoting, have been giving multiple chances to rectify their behavior or posts, but all the Germans have just been debating and not wanted to do anyhing about their behavior/posts for months, so now its downvotes forever xD
And even, when I reach out to some other Germans, to try and get them to stop upvoting something they basically just told me to "fuck off", so no. I will not be voting for any Germans to get this power xD
care to mention names? Im not that in touch with the German community and like I said I know there are some bad apples. I can see Germans getting pretty unchill if you threaten them with your power rather than trying to have a normal convo first. You know the classic, shoot first, ask questions while shooting.
I always open up with a convo, like I said, it went on for months (maybe only weeks) before I did any downvotes to this guy :D
I only downvote immediately if its a plain copy/paste of another user's content x)
I only downvote immediately if its a plain copy/paste of another user's content x)
Then I have no beef with you and thank you for your service. I still would like to know some names :D
I missread, nvm. I thought you only downvote stolen content. Anyways my offer still stands to be some sort of mediator
- Hivewatchers also prefers to target German accounts it seems. I call racism against Germans :3
Hivewatchers also prefers to target German accounts it seems. I call racism against Germans :3
And thats bad. It will needs to be legit reasons for the downvotes if you ask me :D And that is one of the problems with HW, it can become personal.
People told me HW treat the people that appeal in Discord like shit. Well you said we Germans can be tough to handle, but I do also think there is often too much a question of taste. Some people like giveaways, some people like travel blogs and to some people think only debates about crypto and finance should be had on the platform.
As long as there are people enjoying the content and nobody is harmed I dont see all the fuzz. The whole circle jerk drain argument boils down to 'I dont like your group and it is only fine when we do it because only we have legit content.' I do think you need some sort of sock puppets who fake high engagement case to really make a circle jerk argument - everything else is just normal group behaviour.
As long as there are people enjoying the content and nobody is harmed.
I really ENJOY when people make shitposts every 1 hour of the day! I want to support that, so that shouldn't get downvoted! <-- What about that x)
There are users here which think there are no rules at all, everything is allowed. 😟
Nah, that is just the classic "you are free to do everything you just have to live with consequences', which is an empty/non statement.
Finally someone understands
But you are also part of the voluntary anti-abuse efforts since already half a decade
:D
Very underappreciated, even hated and raged upon, job..
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