RE: This Is NOT That - A Comment On Romans 13

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RE: This Is NOT That - A Comment On Romans 13

creatr in #christianity • 11 months ago

So, Brother,

As far as I can tell, you and I are in strong agreement about these matters. And your mention of the temptation causes me to wonder, comment, and ask you a question:

I have long been persuaded that satan still "runs the show" when it comes to ALL nation-states in the world. My general sense is that Christian statists, and especially those with a theonomic perspective and those who identify as "Christian Nationalists" may believe that hegemony ended at the cross, at least opening the possibility for nation-states to become "Christianized."

My reading of Scripture and my personal observations of all of history and current events lead me to discount that possibility.

And so, here's my question for you:

Do you have any Biblical insights or can you point me to any resources that offer Scriptural and logical support for the notion that satan is still running the show when it comes to all the nation-states and "civil governments" of the world?

TIA for anything relevant.🙏😁

11 months ago in #christianity by creatr

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mattclarke 11 months ago (edited)

All that springs to mind is the old chestnut, Ephesians 6:12

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I don't know if it's as cut and dried as you suggest. I believe good, well meaning people can be elected to high office.
*points tentatively at Javier Milei.
People who intend to use the state to serve their fellow man, and/or people who intend to use the state to shrink the state. If the bible straight out claimed that Satan runs every government, those good people might not run and then we'd be in real trouble.

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creatr 10 months ago

Thanks for the verse from Ephesians...🙏

"I believe good, well meaning people can be elected to high office."

I have no doubt that you are right. I also have no doubt that any good, well-meaning person seeking state office is seriously misguided, and ought to be applying their good, well-meaning skills in an honest occupation in a benign organization (like the ecclesia or like a private, for-profit company), that does not exist by committing crimes against humanity.

And what the state considers "high office" is in my thinking the very embodiment of anti-Christ. These "high officers" are under the delusion that they have some kind of "right" to rule over me and my fellow-man, a right that can only belong to our Creator.

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