RE: My Experience of Using HELIOS.VOTER: Russophobia or Unfortunate Mistake?

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theguruasia 9 months ago

@vp-freelance,
Please check that your tokens have been transferred to @null, and as a result, they are already burned. We undo the vote when reviewing your content, so we cannot refund what you sent.
https://he.dtools.dev/@null?symbol=HELIOS

If you are having difficulty understanding the mechanism we use, it doesn't matter; just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing.

Cheers~

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valued-customer 9 months ago (edited)

You have taken payment to provide a service, and then refused to provide the service. Either you have scammed the customer, or you will refund their payment. You have chosen to refuse to provide the service after you took the money paid for that service. That is the definition of a scam.

"...just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing."

This has nothing to do with @null. Either you're a thief, or you're not. Your above responses directly state you have taken the funds of the customer and are a running a scam on Hive. Your refusal to refund the payment makes you a thief.

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theguruasia 9 months ago

@valued-customer,

I believe it's better if you refrain from accusing me without understanding how the system works.

Let me clarify the process:
@vp-freelance sent two vote requests, and the system checked his blacklist details, content size, etc., and proceeded with the votes. Once the votes were released, the tokens were sent to burn, and we have no access to those tokens again.

We monitor each post either before or after the vote is released. Upon reviewing the content, if it doesn't align with our point of view, especially regarding the sovereignty of a country and our disagreement with Mr. Putin's actions, we manually undo (0%) the vote. This is not just for upvoting but also for downvoting.

I'm not a fan of flagging; I had to trigger a flag instead of a 0% vote (undo the vote), but that's not my preference. The vote was already released (tokens burned), and we re-voted with 0% to remove the reward. We didn't scam or steal his tokens. We disagree with the content he provided, so we re-voted the same post with 0% to remove rewards instead of using a flag.

I hope this clarifies what actually happened here. If we were selling votes, platforms like ecency and others would be doing the same. However, unlike them, we monitor each vote released by our curators and undo our votes if they reach the wrong end.

Cheers~

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

It's a shame that on a decentralized platform there are individuals who, at their own discretion, determine which content is worthy of promotion to a larger audience and which is not.

I wouldn't have had any complaints about this transaction if your rules had been published before the purchase of your votes. Publishing rules retroactively is not about decentralization and blockchain! I hope you realized that from my example.

Why did you spend two days here like a snake in a frying pan if a refund is possible? Have respect for other people regardless of their point of view and do not humiliate yourself. It may turn out that someone else's point of view was much closer to the truth than yours.

Have the courage to admit your mistakes!
Don't label people without a court order. Especially if you represent some structure or organization like Helios. Learn to keep your mouth shut.

You want to help defeat Putin? We welcome mercenaries and even pay them well. Russia is open to entry and exit - act, the SBU will instruct you! Or better yet, forget about it and devote yourself to creation

Don't hold a grudge against me. My information campaign is aimed solely at ending the bloodshed by informing the world about the absurdity of the situation.

Thank you to everyone who has supported me in this situation. When people like you are around, it is worth a lot.
@valued-customer, @captainklaus, @antisocialist, @stayoutoftherz, @qwerrie @baah... As well as everyone who has supported with votes and been on the side of truth with me!
Congratulations to all of us. This is our common small victory of the system!

Cheers~

@oleksii.tkachuk
This is how every Bandera supporter's blog should be displayed. Pleasing to the eye

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captainklaus 9 months ago

I totally agree, but for one point: I think no opinion should be hidden.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

I agree, it's done!

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oleksii.tkachuk 9 months ago

Your deceptive words are also a weapon that kills with the hands of others.

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theguruasia 9 months ago (edited)

@vp-freelance,
I didn't send a refund; it was processed by one of the Helios team members, and I am against that refund. Your vote request was already delivered, and tokens were sent to burn. So why would I refund you when I am re-voting your post with a 0% vote value?

This is not a small victory for you; it's a victory of project Helios. The community can see that we (Helios) are different from other curation scripts. We pre or post-monitor where our votes go. So, this is good proof of that.

It's hard to believe Ukraine can win this war against Russia, but this war has proven that Ukraine's ordinary people can face the world's second-best military to secure their freedom. We stand with those people until the end of this war.

Slava Ukraini

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captainklaus 9 months ago

Ah, now finally your bias is out in the open ;)

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4 votes

vp-freelance 9 months ago

Well, he did declare it right off the bat.
He explained the reason for canceling the vote and unwillingness to return the tokens by his personal dislike for Putin and the aggressor country.
And as far as I remember, I never sang praises to this leader. I criticize my own.

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4 votes

vp-freelance 9 months ago

Facebook justifies its censorship in the same way - by caring about someone.
If your project doesn't support discussions about politics, then keep your thoughts about it to yourself, and don't embarrass the people who feed you!

Slava Ukraini

Glory to Palestine!

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valued-customer 9 months ago

Since the foolish instigation of terrorist crimes against it's civilian population in the Donbas, of which many have family and friends in Russia, has brought the Russian MoD to the defense of those hapless civilians, ~1M Ukrainians have died.

Perhaps you should join them in their graves your foolish words have helped to fill.

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stayoutoftherz 9 months ago (edited)

Sorry, but to "disagree with the content" one provides on Hive, is not a valid reason for a downvote. A downvote is to fight against scam, plagiarism, personal insults or illegal content like child porn, but not just the use of free speech! In fact this is what Hive makes unique, that everybody can express his opinions, without being censored! If you attack this by a downvote, you directly attack free speech!
And like @vp-freelance said, you should have warned people that you would apply an additional political censorship filter that prevents rewards from posts of opposing opinions. In fact you better add this now on your explanation posts, so that people are warned in future and rethink if they want to send money to such a voting system!

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theguruasia 9 months ago

Hello @stayoutoftherz,

Who downvoted whom? I canceled the vote value by re-voting with 0%. I am not flagging anyone. I never believe flagging is the solution. Without having a proper idea of the mechanism I used, it's better not to accuse people.

My point is, Ukraine is in a war, and Mr. Putin is challenging the sovereignty of that country. We accept free speech, but in this sensitive matter, we have different viewpoints. We want to see the end of this Russian occupation against a country. This might be a very bad move, and most small countries near powerful ones will be in danger since this.

Anyway, that's off-topic for me. And I didn't hold funds or steal funds. What I did was re-voted two posts with a 0% vote value to remove the previously assigned rewards. This also reduced our curation of the post.

Have a nice day!

$WINE

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stayoutoftherz 9 months ago

OK not downvoting, but revoting to 0% after a customer has paid for a service, this is not fair.
Free speech means that even opinions which one doesn´t like have a right to be expressed without penalty!

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theguruasia 9 months ago

OK not downvoting, but revoting to 0% after a customer has paid for a service, this is not fair.

Agree & Disagree.

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valued-customer 9 months ago (edited)

I explained my points clearly and simply. None of that crap you just stated matters in the least.

You offered to provide a service, and took payment to do so. You then decided not to provide the service and kept the money. That is a scam. It is fraud. You may take umbrage at my accurate description of it, but you yourself have stated that fact.

"...just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing."

Those are your words, not taken out of context, and disrobed of the blather about process and @null. You took his money per an agreement and did not perform the service you agreed to, and have the audacity to keep his money - to steal his money by an act of fraud.

Your character alone, not your process, your love of Zelensky, the blowing of political winds, or any other matter whatsoever, is the sole reason that is the fact. Given that circumstance I could give a damn about your beliefs. Keep them to yourself. I'll watch your actions to ascertain the facts about your beliefs, because those will reveal the truth, every time.I can clearly not trust your words.

Edit: let me shorten the quote from you to it's essence.

"...I scammed you..."

live with that, and your 30 tokens.

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theguruasia 9 months ago

@valued-customer,
Yes, those are my words. It's better if you quote the whole sentence.

If you are having difficulty understanding the mechanism we use, it doesn't matter; just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing.

This is why you have a head on top of the neck. I hope you will use it next time before accusing someone again.

Yes, I support Ukraine and the sovereignty of that country. Nice try, man. I wish you good luck next time.
😜

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valued-customer 9 months ago

Your facility with propaganda and deception is not the issue. This is the issue:

"...I scammed you..."

That's the caliber of your character, stripped of your facility to deceive, to scam, to defraud with clever words. For 30 Hive you lied.

That's what I will remember about you as long as you do not refund his payment, because that's what you sold your integrity for, just like Judas. I do not wish you good luck. I do not wish you well. I want you gone, off the platform, like any other scammer that steals money by lying to people. That's what you have chosen to be. Nothing more than a fraud, and a scammer. That's all that matters about you to me. That's all that should matter to Hive, to the entire community, about you, because that's what you chose to be.

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theguruasia 9 months ago (edited)

For 30 Hive, you lied.

That's why I said you have a head on top of your neck. Better use it, bro. Please show me where I stole his 30 Hives, lol 😅.

This is a blockchain, man. No one can cheat it. Please show me where I scammed his 30 Hive. Show me the transaction proof of that.

When you accuse someone without knowing the real facts, it's better not to do so. This might be a good example for you. Good luck, man. Nice try.

A little $WINE for you 🤣

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antisocialist 9 months ago

30x.05821=1.7463usd

This is too much to ask of the project management to right the wrong of enforcing rules established after the fact?
With customer service like this you can understand why this coin is likely to fail, at some point.
Good luck with that.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago (edited)

The mechanism of burning tokens is very clear to me, as well as where you can get them!
Judging from your messages it turns out that you deceived me. On the instructions of the boss was deceived, or from your personal considerations - it does not matter. What matters is the fact of fraud on your part, which you admit.
The fact that the burned tokens can't be returned is as clear as two times two. It is also clear that if you valued your reputation and were a decent person, you would have found me another 30 tokens to replace the burned ones or their equivalent.
This isn't about 30 tokens! It's about your boorish attitude towards others from a position of power.
I would like the hive to be a place of justice, not who is strongest is right!

Are you deliberately avoiding answering the question about de-blocking?

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captainklaus 9 months ago

Nowadays European Parliament seems to be an idol for people who cheat for profit or to support their illusive narrative while actually simply mismanaging funds.... obviously the guru learnt from the best, which are the worst psychopaths ever.
What's that anyways, vote-selling-biz? I thought we were beyond this.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

I, too, thought this stage was a thing of the past, along with the steemit

Someone in the Hive is interested in such business, since only Helios is allowed to conduct such activities here, and not fair to others users!

Сan see who has delegated the most HP to Helios. In all likelihood, he's the one who's calling the tune at this casino.

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captainklaus 9 months ago

And so who delegates 99% of their stake to that voter. Have a look....
I'll now get my head out of this discussion, as UNFORTUATELY it does not change a thing. I'll continue to use Hive when bored, or to read the few interesting things that haven't been censored yet.
Thanks for your content!

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

Thank you for being with us in this absurd situation. You've given me confidence, too!
🤝 Good luck!

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valued-customer 9 months ago

"...vote-selling-biz..."

Yep. I also thought this intolerable financial corruption was a thing of the past.

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captainklaus 9 months ago

intolerable financial corruption is back and big on Hive ;)

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valued-customer 9 months ago

It is my hope to see it again eliminated for once and for all. I had thought the previous economic destruction of the bidbots would have been sufficient, but I was clearly wrong, and naive. We will see what the users and groups that claim to be acting to eliminate spam, scams, and plagiarism do about it. If they do nothing, then it will be time to act more forcefully IYAM.

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valued-customer 9 months ago

It is astounding to me that the sum at issue is literally 30 pieces. The comparison to the 30 pieces of silver paid to Judas to betray Jesus is unavoidable.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

In addition, I am struck by the pettiness that makes all of this happen. I would have paid out of my own pocket to not have so much negative hype around my name ever.
Okay, I, an unemployed fugitive, have a huge amount of time to play this game. But the opponents are like serious people, with significant sums in their accounts, which an average citizen like me would never dream of investing in cryptocurrency, participating in this group humiliation for 30 coins.... I don't understand it, but it's very amusing.

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valued-customer 9 months ago

It's not a new paradigm.

Flaggots have been driving people from the platform since it began.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

Flaggots

😆😆
very capacious term👍

Should I at this stage attract more attention of developers interested in fair development of the ecosystem and node holders? Perhaps they have more leverage over such tricky businessmen?
There are guys who have been with us from the very beginning and whose reputation is beyond doubt! The same Arсange, he sees the situation deeper than most.

Has the situation reached a sufficient degree of absurdity to tag respected people by name, or should we wait for the development of events to allow the guys to prove themselves?

The true owner of the Helios account has not yet entered the dialog. Very interesting, is this happening with his ignorance or permission?

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valued-customer 9 months ago (edited)

I feel it is very important to the Hive community to eliminate scammers and thieves from our community, so I have rehived your post on my blog to increase it's visibility. I have not tagged anyone directly in my comments, as that is perceived (at least by me) as somewhat urgent and intrusive. I cannot determine for you how you interact with the community, nor would I want to, as it is a diverse and free community I seek. This isn't a new practice, and was extremely disruptive during the bidbot crisis that almost destroyed the platform.

I am outraged, frankly, at the arrogance of Guruasia, who has openly admitted to defrauding you of your tokens. It is my expectation that all Hive users with integrity would share that outrage, and for that outrage to put pressure on Guruasia to cease such practices, and also to refund your payment. We'll see if the additional exposure I have given your post produces such pressure. You will have to decide yourself what steps to take as the injured party in this scam. I seek to permanently end such scams on Hive when I encounter them, and that is my intention here today. Until I saw your post I was unaware that bidbots still operated on Hive, and I am disgusted to see they do.

As you have seen, however, there are powerful and covert political forces operant on Hive, and these forces have often deceived people as to their purposes and reasons for acting. Because of this duplicity and dishonesty, I cannot predict what will come. There are users and groups that claim to be acting to eliminate spam, scams, and plagiarism, and that is the stated purpose for which downvotes were created. That has not always been their exclusive purpose, and I cannot act for them, nor state with confidence how they will act. Should they act with integrity I am here to back them up. If they do not, I am here in their stead, for what that is worth.

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