RE: My Experience of Using HELIOS.VOTER: Russophobia or Unfortunate Mistake?

@vp-freelance @captainklaus @valued-customer

qwerrie 9 months ago

we do not support the war against Ukraine.

don't be a hypocrite! this blogger (by the way, a citizen of Ukraine) is not a military man and does not participate in the war. he applier his efforts on reporting the facts and the situation analyzis. this is fair game, rediculous that you consider it as part of military activity directed against Ukraine that you dont want to support. by “shooting” him, you support only Censorship at Hive.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

thank you for your words of encouragement.
you are absolutely right, I am against the continuation of war and bloodshed on either side.
But I have no influence on what is happening in my country, only to share my impressions about it.

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captainklaus 9 months ago

only to share my impressions about it

which is worth a lot! Thanks.

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captainklaus 9 months ago (edited)

WORD!
Fair game has become such a rare thing, and Hive seems more and more bad at it.

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captainklaus 9 months ago

@theguruasia you should listen to @qwerrie.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

This conflict could have ended a long time ago with negotiations, which Zelensky has banned by law! Now we have no chance of surviving against the second army of the world, especially with the rate of aid you are providing!
No matter how much you admire the selflessness of people caught walking their children to school and sent to die by force for the interests of our oligarchs, whose relatives were taken abroad at the very beginning, this does not cancel the documented war crimes of the Ukrainian military, including against the civilian population of Russia and Ukraine!

Only a court of law can brand a traitor, not a person who confessed to stealing 30 tokens.

I do not speculate about the politics of your country, where I have never been, on what basis are you condemning me for speculating about the politics of my country, where I have lived all my life? Have you lived in a country with a banned opposition where you can go to jail for 12 to 15 years for spreading FACTS?

Are you not making enough money from the Hive to pay back the tokens taken from me for your service's unfulfilled promises? Or is your reputation not worth 30 pieces of silver?

Do I understand correctly that we can agree to remove me from the blacklist if I don't buy your votes for articles concerning Russian-Ukrainian issues? Is it even possible to agree on anything with you, are you authorised to do so, or tomorrow you will be ordered to make up new rules for blacklisting me for new reasons known only to you?

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theguruasia 9 months ago

@vp-freelance,
My previous comment contains all answers for your reply. I don't keep your tokens. You burned them the moment you request for a vote. Better you ask @null to resend them instead of me. I wish you all the best with your works on this chain.

Cheers~

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

Are you sure you're all right in the head, or is there some benefit to playing the mindless one? I was starting to worry about you! Let me know if you need help.

I transferred my tokens to the Helios account. Do you have anything to do with this account?
What does this have to do with @null account ???

I don't ask you for my interactions with @null, why are you trying to covering your dishonesty with a technical account? You had nothing to do with @null!
By that analogy, you should have blacklisted @null instead of me.))))

The screenshots confirm that a refund is possible, why are you trying to lie to me and evade responsibility?

I don't care what you did with my tokens after you got them from me. If you changed your mind to follow the public offer you stated and refuse to return the coins you received, that's outright theft. It's a shame that a project that thinks it's okay to cheat its users just by retroactively updating its rules is allowed to grow in Hive. It's not about blockchain and true freedom!

It is very symbolic that you sold your reputation for 30 silver pieces - a direct analogy to Judas betraying Jesus for the same price!
I believe you could have a good career in the European Parliament. People who are able to take someone else's money with a nonchalant face, who are able to blame their victim for the fact that it was their own fault that they were robbed, are valued there.
Try to think about it

Has my account been removed from the blacklist yet?

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theguruasia 9 months ago

@vp-freelance,
Please check that your tokens have been transferred to @null, and as a result, they are already burned. We undo the vote when reviewing your content, so we cannot refund what you sent.
https://he.dtools.dev/@null?symbol=HELIOS

If you are having difficulty understanding the mechanism we use, it doesn't matter; just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing.

Cheers~

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valued-customer 9 months ago (edited)

You have taken payment to provide a service, and then refused to provide the service. Either you have scammed the customer, or you will refund their payment. You have chosen to refuse to provide the service after you took the money paid for that service. That is the definition of a scam.

"...just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing."

This has nothing to do with @null. Either you're a thief, or you're not. Your above responses directly state you have taken the funds of the customer and are a running a scam on Hive. Your refusal to refund the payment makes you a thief.

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theguruasia 9 months ago

@valued-customer,

I believe it's better if you refrain from accusing me without understanding how the system works.

Let me clarify the process:
@vp-freelance sent two vote requests, and the system checked his blacklist details, content size, etc., and proceeded with the votes. Once the votes were released, the tokens were sent to burn, and we have no access to those tokens again.

We monitor each post either before or after the vote is released. Upon reviewing the content, if it doesn't align with our point of view, especially regarding the sovereignty of a country and our disagreement with Mr. Putin's actions, we manually undo (0%) the vote. This is not just for upvoting but also for downvoting.

I'm not a fan of flagging; I had to trigger a flag instead of a 0% vote (undo the vote), but that's not my preference. The vote was already released (tokens burned), and we re-voted with 0% to remove the reward. We didn't scam or steal his tokens. We disagree with the content he provided, so we re-voted the same post with 0% to remove rewards instead of using a flag.

I hope this clarifies what actually happened here. If we were selling votes, platforms like ecency and others would be doing the same. However, unlike them, we monitor each vote released by our curators and undo our votes if they reach the wrong end.

Cheers~

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

It's a shame that on a decentralized platform there are individuals who, at their own discretion, determine which content is worthy of promotion to a larger audience and which is not.

I wouldn't have had any complaints about this transaction if your rules had been published before the purchase of your votes. Publishing rules retroactively is not about decentralization and blockchain! I hope you realized that from my example.

Why did you spend two days here like a snake in a frying pan if a refund is possible? Have respect for other people regardless of their point of view and do not humiliate yourself. It may turn out that someone else's point of view was much closer to the truth than yours.

Have the courage to admit your mistakes!
Don't label people without a court order. Especially if you represent some structure or organization like Helios. Learn to keep your mouth shut.

You want to help defeat Putin? We welcome mercenaries and even pay them well. Russia is open to entry and exit - act, the SBU will instruct you! Or better yet, forget about it and devote yourself to creation

Don't hold a grudge against me. My information campaign is aimed solely at ending the bloodshed by informing the world about the absurdity of the situation.

Thank you to everyone who has supported me in this situation. When people like you are around, it is worth a lot.
@valued-customer, @captainklaus, @antisocialist, @stayoutoftherz, @qwerrie @baah... As well as everyone who has supported with votes and been on the side of truth with me!
Congratulations to all of us. This is our common small victory of the system!

Cheers~

@oleksii.tkachuk
This is how every Bandera supporter's blog should be displayed. Pleasing to the eye

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4 votes

captainklaus 9 months ago

I totally agree, but for one point: I think no opinion should be hidden.

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oleksii.tkachuk 9 months ago

Your deceptive words are also a weapon that kills with the hands of others.

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theguruasia 9 months ago (edited)

@vp-freelance,
I didn't send a refund; it was processed by one of the Helios team members, and I am against that refund. Your vote request was already delivered, and tokens were sent to burn. So why would I refund you when I am re-voting your post with a 0% vote value?

This is not a small victory for you; it's a victory of project Helios. The community can see that we (Helios) are different from other curation scripts. We pre or post-monitor where our votes go. So, this is good proof of that.

It's hard to believe Ukraine can win this war against Russia, but this war has proven that Ukraine's ordinary people can face the world's second-best military to secure their freedom. We stand with those people until the end of this war.

Slava Ukraini

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stayoutoftherz 9 months ago (edited)

Sorry, but to "disagree with the content" one provides on Hive, is not a valid reason for a downvote. A downvote is to fight against scam, plagiarism, personal insults or illegal content like child porn, but not just the use of free speech! In fact this is what Hive makes unique, that everybody can express his opinions, without being censored! If you attack this by a downvote, you directly attack free speech!
And like @vp-freelance said, you should have warned people that you would apply an additional political censorship filter that prevents rewards from posts of opposing opinions. In fact you better add this now on your explanation posts, so that people are warned in future and rethink if they want to send money to such a voting system!

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theguruasia 9 months ago

Hello @stayoutoftherz,

Who downvoted whom? I canceled the vote value by re-voting with 0%. I am not flagging anyone. I never believe flagging is the solution. Without having a proper idea of the mechanism I used, it's better not to accuse people.

My point is, Ukraine is in a war, and Mr. Putin is challenging the sovereignty of that country. We accept free speech, but in this sensitive matter, we have different viewpoints. We want to see the end of this Russian occupation against a country. This might be a very bad move, and most small countries near powerful ones will be in danger since this.

Anyway, that's off-topic for me. And I didn't hold funds or steal funds. What I did was re-voted two posts with a 0% vote value to remove the previously assigned rewards. This also reduced our curation of the post.

Have a nice day!

$WINE

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valued-customer 9 months ago (edited)

I explained my points clearly and simply. None of that crap you just stated matters in the least.

You offered to provide a service, and took payment to do so. You then decided not to provide the service and kept the money. That is a scam. It is fraud. You may take umbrage at my accurate description of it, but you yourself have stated that fact.

"...just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing."

Those are your words, not taken out of context, and disrobed of the blather about process and @null. You took his money per an agreement and did not perform the service you agreed to, and have the audacity to keep his money - to steal his money by an act of fraud.

Your character alone, not your process, your love of Zelensky, the blowing of political winds, or any other matter whatsoever, is the sole reason that is the fact. Given that circumstance I could give a damn about your beliefs. Keep them to yourself. I'll watch your actions to ascertain the facts about your beliefs, because those will reveal the truth, every time.I can clearly not trust your words.

Edit: let me shorten the quote from you to it's essence.

"...I scammed you..."

live with that, and your 30 tokens.

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theguruasia 9 months ago

@valued-customer,
Yes, those are my words. It's better if you quote the whole sentence.

If you are having difficulty understanding the mechanism we use, it doesn't matter; just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing.

This is why you have a head on top of the neck. I hope you will use it next time before accusing someone again.

Yes, I support Ukraine and the sovereignty of that country. Nice try, man. I wish you good luck next time.
😜

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antisocialist 9 months ago

30x.05821=1.7463usd

This is too much to ask of the project management to right the wrong of enforcing rules established after the fact?
With customer service like this you can understand why this coin is likely to fail, at some point.
Good luck with that.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago (edited)

The mechanism of burning tokens is very clear to me, as well as where you can get them!
Judging from your messages it turns out that you deceived me. On the instructions of the boss was deceived, or from your personal considerations - it does not matter. What matters is the fact of fraud on your part, which you admit.
The fact that the burned tokens can't be returned is as clear as two times two. It is also clear that if you valued your reputation and were a decent person, you would have found me another 30 tokens to replace the burned ones or their equivalent.
This isn't about 30 tokens! It's about your boorish attitude towards others from a position of power.
I would like the hive to be a place of justice, not who is strongest is right!

Are you deliberately avoiding answering the question about de-blocking?

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captainklaus 9 months ago

Nowadays European Parliament seems to be an idol for people who cheat for profit or to support their illusive narrative while actually simply mismanaging funds.... obviously the guru learnt from the best, which are the worst psychopaths ever.
What's that anyways, vote-selling-biz? I thought we were beyond this.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

I, too, thought this stage was a thing of the past, along with the steemit

Someone in the Hive is interested in such business, since only Helios is allowed to conduct such activities here, and not fair to others users!

Сan see who has delegated the most HP to Helios. In all likelihood, he's the one who's calling the tune at this casino.

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captainklaus 9 months ago

And so who delegates 99% of their stake to that voter. Have a look....
I'll now get my head out of this discussion, as UNFORTUATELY it does not change a thing. I'll continue to use Hive when bored, or to read the few interesting things that haven't been censored yet.
Thanks for your content!

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valued-customer 9 months ago

"...vote-selling-biz..."

Yep. I also thought this intolerable financial corruption was a thing of the past.

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captainklaus 9 months ago

intolerable financial corruption is back and big on Hive ;)

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valued-customer 9 months ago

It is astounding to me that the sum at issue is literally 30 pieces. The comparison to the 30 pieces of silver paid to Judas to betray Jesus is unavoidable.

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vp-freelance 9 months ago

In addition, I am struck by the pettiness that makes all of this happen. I would have paid out of my own pocket to not have so much negative hype around my name ever.
Okay, I, an unemployed fugitive, have a huge amount of time to play this game. But the opponents are like serious people, with significant sums in their accounts, which an average citizen like me would never dream of investing in cryptocurrency, participating in this group humiliation for 30 coins.... I don't understand it, but it's very amusing.

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valued-customer 9 months ago

It's not a new paradigm.

Flaggots have been driving people from the platform since it began.

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captainklaus 9 months ago (edited)

You obviously have a strong bias; if Hive was open and decentralized you should NOT act on it.
But the way it is, you are just in line with some other actors who censor Hive 'in the name of good'. You are obviously too full of yourself.

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