RE: My Experience of Using HELIOS.VOTER: Russophobia or Unfortunate Mistake?

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theguruasia 10 months ago

@vp-freelance,
My previous comment contains all answers for your reply. I don't keep your tokens. You burned them the moment you request for a vote. Better you ask @null to resend them instead of me. I wish you all the best with your works on this chain.

Cheers~

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vp-freelance 10 months ago

Are you sure you're all right in the head, or is there some benefit to playing the mindless one? I was starting to worry about you! Let me know if you need help.

I transferred my tokens to the Helios account. Do you have anything to do with this account?
What does this have to do with @null account ???

I don't ask you for my interactions with @null, why are you trying to covering your dishonesty with a technical account? You had nothing to do with @null!
By that analogy, you should have blacklisted @null instead of me.))))

The screenshots confirm that a refund is possible, why are you trying to lie to me and evade responsibility?

I don't care what you did with my tokens after you got them from me. If you changed your mind to follow the public offer you stated and refuse to return the coins you received, that's outright theft. It's a shame that a project that thinks it's okay to cheat its users just by retroactively updating its rules is allowed to grow in Hive. It's not about blockchain and true freedom!

It is very symbolic that you sold your reputation for 30 silver pieces - a direct analogy to Judas betraying Jesus for the same price!
I believe you could have a good career in the European Parliament. People who are able to take someone else's money with a nonchalant face, who are able to blame their victim for the fact that it was their own fault that they were robbed, are valued there.
Try to think about it

Has my account been removed from the blacklist yet?

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theguruasia 10 months ago

@vp-freelance,
Please check that your tokens have been transferred to @null, and as a result, they are already burned. We undo the vote when reviewing your content, so we cannot refund what you sent.
https://he.dtools.dev/@null?symbol=HELIOS

If you are having difficulty understanding the mechanism we use, it doesn't matter; just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing.

Cheers~

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valued-customer 10 months ago (edited)

You have taken payment to provide a service, and then refused to provide the service. Either you have scammed the customer, or you will refund their payment. You have chosen to refuse to provide the service after you took the money paid for that service. That is the definition of a scam.

"...just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing."

This has nothing to do with @null. Either you're a thief, or you're not. Your above responses directly state you have taken the funds of the customer and are a running a scam on Hive. Your refusal to refund the payment makes you a thief.

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theguruasia 10 months ago

@valued-customer,

I believe it's better if you refrain from accusing me without understanding how the system works.

Let me clarify the process:
@vp-freelance sent two vote requests, and the system checked his blacklist details, content size, etc., and proceeded with the votes. Once the votes were released, the tokens were sent to burn, and we have no access to those tokens again.

We monitor each post either before or after the vote is released. Upon reviewing the content, if it doesn't align with our point of view, especially regarding the sovereignty of a country and our disagreement with Mr. Putin's actions, we manually undo (0%) the vote. This is not just for upvoting but also for downvoting.

I'm not a fan of flagging; I had to trigger a flag instead of a 0% vote (undo the vote), but that's not my preference. The vote was already released (tokens burned), and we re-voted with 0% to remove the reward. We didn't scam or steal his tokens. We disagree with the content he provided, so we re-voted the same post with 0% to remove rewards instead of using a flag.

I hope this clarifies what actually happened here. If we were selling votes, platforms like ecency and others would be doing the same. However, unlike them, we monitor each vote released by our curators and undo our votes if they reach the wrong end.

Cheers~

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vp-freelance 10 months ago

It's a shame that on a decentralized platform there are individuals who, at their own discretion, determine which content is worthy of promotion to a larger audience and which is not.

I wouldn't have had any complaints about this transaction if your rules had been published before the purchase of your votes. Publishing rules retroactively is not about decentralization and blockchain! I hope you realized that from my example.

Why did you spend two days here like a snake in a frying pan if a refund is possible? Have respect for other people regardless of their point of view and do not humiliate yourself. It may turn out that someone else's point of view was much closer to the truth than yours.

Have the courage to admit your mistakes!
Don't label people without a court order. Especially if you represent some structure or organization like Helios. Learn to keep your mouth shut.

You want to help defeat Putin? We welcome mercenaries and even pay them well. Russia is open to entry and exit - act, the SBU will instruct you! Or better yet, forget about it and devote yourself to creation

Don't hold a grudge against me. My information campaign is aimed solely at ending the bloodshed by informing the world about the absurdity of the situation.

Thank you to everyone who has supported me in this situation. When people like you are around, it is worth a lot.
@valued-customer, @captainklaus, @antisocialist, @stayoutoftherz, @qwerrie @baah... As well as everyone who has supported with votes and been on the side of truth with me!
Congratulations to all of us. This is our common small victory of the system!

Cheers~

@oleksii.tkachuk
This is how every Bandera supporter's blog should be displayed. Pleasing to the eye

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captainklaus 10 months ago

I totally agree, but for one point: I think no opinion should be hidden.

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vp-freelance 10 months ago

I agree, it's done!

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oleksii.tkachuk 10 months ago

Your deceptive words are also a weapon that kills with the hands of others.

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theguruasia 10 months ago (edited)

@vp-freelance,
I didn't send a refund; it was processed by one of the Helios team members, and I am against that refund. Your vote request was already delivered, and tokens were sent to burn. So why would I refund you when I am re-voting your post with a 0% vote value?

This is not a small victory for you; it's a victory of project Helios. The community can see that we (Helios) are different from other curation scripts. We pre or post-monitor where our votes go. So, this is good proof of that.

It's hard to believe Ukraine can win this war against Russia, but this war has proven that Ukraine's ordinary people can face the world's second-best military to secure their freedom. We stand with those people until the end of this war.

Slava Ukraini

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captainklaus 10 months ago

Ah, now finally your bias is out in the open ;)

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vp-freelance 10 months ago

Facebook justifies its censorship in the same way - by caring about someone.
If your project doesn't support discussions about politics, then keep your thoughts about it to yourself, and don't embarrass the people who feed you!

Slava Ukraini

Glory to Palestine!

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valued-customer 10 months ago

Since the foolish instigation of terrorist crimes against it's civilian population in the Donbas, of which many have family and friends in Russia, has brought the Russian MoD to the defense of those hapless civilians, ~1M Ukrainians have died.

Perhaps you should join them in their graves your foolish words have helped to fill.

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stayoutoftherz 10 months ago (edited)

Sorry, but to "disagree with the content" one provides on Hive, is not a valid reason for a downvote. A downvote is to fight against scam, plagiarism, personal insults or illegal content like child porn, but not just the use of free speech! In fact this is what Hive makes unique, that everybody can express his opinions, without being censored! If you attack this by a downvote, you directly attack free speech!
And like @vp-freelance said, you should have warned people that you would apply an additional political censorship filter that prevents rewards from posts of opposing opinions. In fact you better add this now on your explanation posts, so that people are warned in future and rethink if they want to send money to such a voting system!

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theguruasia 10 months ago

Hello @stayoutoftherz,

Who downvoted whom? I canceled the vote value by re-voting with 0%. I am not flagging anyone. I never believe flagging is the solution. Without having a proper idea of the mechanism I used, it's better not to accuse people.

My point is, Ukraine is in a war, and Mr. Putin is challenging the sovereignty of that country. We accept free speech, but in this sensitive matter, we have different viewpoints. We want to see the end of this Russian occupation against a country. This might be a very bad move, and most small countries near powerful ones will be in danger since this.

Anyway, that's off-topic for me. And I didn't hold funds or steal funds. What I did was re-voted two posts with a 0% vote value to remove the previously assigned rewards. This also reduced our curation of the post.

Have a nice day!

$WINE

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stayoutoftherz 10 months ago

OK not downvoting, but revoting to 0% after a customer has paid for a service, this is not fair.
Free speech means that even opinions which one doesn´t like have a right to be expressed without penalty!

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valued-customer 10 months ago (edited)

I explained my points clearly and simply. None of that crap you just stated matters in the least.

You offered to provide a service, and took payment to do so. You then decided not to provide the service and kept the money. That is a scam. It is fraud. You may take umbrage at my accurate description of it, but you yourself have stated that fact.

"...just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing."

Those are your words, not taken out of context, and disrobed of the blather about process and @null. You took his money per an agreement and did not perform the service you agreed to, and have the audacity to keep his money - to steal his money by an act of fraud.

Your character alone, not your process, your love of Zelensky, the blowing of political winds, or any other matter whatsoever, is the sole reason that is the fact. Given that circumstance I could give a damn about your beliefs. Keep them to yourself. I'll watch your actions to ascertain the facts about your beliefs, because those will reveal the truth, every time.I can clearly not trust your words.

Edit: let me shorten the quote from you to it's essence.

"...I scammed you..."

live with that, and your 30 tokens.

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theguruasia 10 months ago

@valued-customer,
Yes, those are my words. It's better if you quote the whole sentence.

If you are having difficulty understanding the mechanism we use, it doesn't matter; just believe that I scammed you, I am not arguing.

This is why you have a head on top of the neck. I hope you will use it next time before accusing someone again.

Yes, I support Ukraine and the sovereignty of that country. Nice try, man. I wish you good luck next time.
😜

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valued-customer 10 months ago

Your facility with propaganda and deception is not the issue. This is the issue:

"...I scammed you..."

That's the caliber of your character, stripped of your facility to deceive, to scam, to defraud with clever words. For 30 Hive you lied.

That's what I will remember about you as long as you do not refund his payment, because that's what you sold your integrity for, just like Judas. I do not wish you good luck. I do not wish you well. I want you gone, off the platform, like any other scammer that steals money by lying to people. That's what you have chosen to be. Nothing more than a fraud, and a scammer. That's all that matters about you to me. That's all that should matter to Hive, to the entire community, about you, because that's what you chose to be.

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antisocialist 10 months ago

30x.05821=1.7463usd

This is too much to ask of the project management to right the wrong of enforcing rules established after the fact?
With customer service like this you can understand why this coin is likely to fail, at some point.
Good luck with that.

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vp-freelance 10 months ago (edited)

The mechanism of burning tokens is very clear to me, as well as where you can get them!
Judging from your messages it turns out that you deceived me. On the instructions of the boss was deceived, or from your personal considerations - it does not matter. What matters is the fact of fraud on your part, which you admit.
The fact that the burned tokens can't be returned is as clear as two times two. It is also clear that if you valued your reputation and were a decent person, you would have found me another 30 tokens to replace the burned ones or their equivalent.
This isn't about 30 tokens! It's about your boorish attitude towards others from a position of power.
I would like the hive to be a place of justice, not who is strongest is right!

Are you deliberately avoiding answering the question about de-blocking?

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captainklaus 10 months ago

Nowadays European Parliament seems to be an idol for people who cheat for profit or to support their illusive narrative while actually simply mismanaging funds.... obviously the guru learnt from the best, which are the worst psychopaths ever.
What's that anyways, vote-selling-biz? I thought we were beyond this.

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vp-freelance 10 months ago

I, too, thought this stage was a thing of the past, along with the steemit

Someone in the Hive is interested in such business, since only Helios is allowed to conduct such activities here, and not fair to others users!

Сan see who has delegated the most HP to Helios. In all likelihood, he's the one who's calling the tune at this casino.

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captainklaus 10 months ago

And so who delegates 99% of their stake to that voter. Have a look....
I'll now get my head out of this discussion, as UNFORTUATELY it does not change a thing. I'll continue to use Hive when bored, or to read the few interesting things that haven't been censored yet.
Thanks for your content!

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vp-freelance 10 months ago

Thank you for being with us in this absurd situation. You've given me confidence, too!
🤝 Good luck!

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valued-customer 10 months ago

"...vote-selling-biz..."

Yep. I also thought this intolerable financial corruption was a thing of the past.

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captainklaus 10 months ago

intolerable financial corruption is back and big on Hive ;)

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valued-customer 10 months ago

It is my hope to see it again eliminated for once and for all. I had thought the previous economic destruction of the bidbots would have been sufficient, but I was clearly wrong, and naive. We will see what the users and groups that claim to be acting to eliminate spam, scams, and plagiarism do about it. If they do nothing, then it will be time to act more forcefully IYAM.

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valued-customer 10 months ago

It is astounding to me that the sum at issue is literally 30 pieces. The comparison to the 30 pieces of silver paid to Judas to betray Jesus is unavoidable.

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vp-freelance 10 months ago

In addition, I am struck by the pettiness that makes all of this happen. I would have paid out of my own pocket to not have so much negative hype around my name ever.
Okay, I, an unemployed fugitive, have a huge amount of time to play this game. But the opponents are like serious people, with significant sums in their accounts, which an average citizen like me would never dream of investing in cryptocurrency, participating in this group humiliation for 30 coins.... I don't understand it, but it's very amusing.

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valued-customer 10 months ago

It's not a new paradigm.

Flaggots have been driving people from the platform since it began.

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vp-freelance 10 months ago

Flaggots

😆😆
very capacious term👍

Should I at this stage attract more attention of developers interested in fair development of the ecosystem and node holders? Perhaps they have more leverage over such tricky businessmen?
There are guys who have been with us from the very beginning and whose reputation is beyond doubt! The same Arсange, he sees the situation deeper than most.

Has the situation reached a sufficient degree of absurdity to tag respected people by name, or should we wait for the development of events to allow the guys to prove themselves?

The true owner of the Helios account has not yet entered the dialog. Very interesting, is this happening with his ignorance or permission?

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