Who You Gonna Call?

in Reflections10 days ago

At the gym, many people listen to music, but I normally listen to podcasts, or audiobooks, as it is a time that allows me to consume in peace, while still doing something that improves my health - or so they say. And tonight, I listened to an episode of Smartless, which was recommended by a friend. The guest was Luis Elizondo and the Spotify is linked below, but it is on YouTube also.

They were talking about UFOs.

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Conspiracy theorist?

Luis “Lue” Elizondo is the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), the secretive Pentagon unit that studied UFOs. As a senior counterintelligence officer for the Department of Defense, he operated throughout Afghanistan, the Middle East and Latin America.

I am not going to go into everything that was covered, even though it was a pretty light interview, as is their style, but the guy was in front of congress under oath a few weeks prior, telling much the same. What I found interesting was the general idea that the governments have a huge amount of information that would "blow our minds", but have deemed us "not ready" to know the truth, but the sentiment seems to be shifting.

The technology that was described was so much further along than anything we could create, that it makes us look ridiculous, like aircraft flying at over 10,000 miles an hour and making right hand and 180-turns. And that means that whatever has created it, is far more advanced than us. It can make things better than us by far, making everything we create as humans, obsolete.

And this creates a problem.

The problem isn't about whether they intend to invade and enslave us, though that is something that could happen. Or even that we will be obsolete. The issue is probably why the government says "they aren't ready" - because having that transparency would force us to acknowledge that we are not just not alone, but we are also pretty stupid. Do you see the issue?

We live in a world where there are millions of people who believe that dinosaurs never existed, and billions of people who believe that we are the chosen ones, or more precisely, that those who believe are the chosen ones. That there is an omnipotent God that has created us and made us more special than everything else it has created, even going as far as "in his image" - as if that were a thing. We also have millions of people who believe the world is flat.

I am obviously not a believer in a God.
At least as religions of all denominations seem to envisage it.

However, this isn't about believing or not believing, because the truth is out there. But, what I am interested in is if there was irrefutable evidence of some kind, what happens to the billions of believers in something quite different. Are we able to make such a monumental shift in our understanding and reconcile who we are as individuals and society? Forget the tech for a moment, what kinds of impacts would this have on how we organise ourselves and communities?

Thousands of years of theological tradition, could just be wiped away.

We are highly adaptable by nature, but we aren't highly accepting of change, and even less so if we are the ones who are going to have to make the shift. Just imagine if a devout Christian was given irrefutable proof that the Koran is word for word the word of God - or vice versa for the Bible. Would everyone just go, "ah okay, I was wrong - time to change".

Unlikely.

I think that we have all seen enough alien invasion movies to be able to predict how we would act as a society - but is that how we would actually behave? Ina dramatized world, perhaps it is, but maybe, we wouldn't fight, we would just fall apart in a steaming pile of existential crisis.

And maybe, it won't be too long until we find out what is already known, and what the speculation on what is not might be, because the governments are under increasing pressure to open up the documents and show their hand. They can cite security concerns for now, but the people are becoming restless. At that point, maybe it will allow us time to adjust, like a soft-launch for what is to come.

Whatever is out there, I believe I want to know.

Even if it is not what I want to hear.

Taraz
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You would think that knowing we aren't as smart as we think we are might lead us towards trying to fix that. That is the hope anyway I guess.

I don't think that is how we normally work in this society these days. We aren't inspired by better, we are victimized by it and try to tear it down.

But we also surprise ourselves when we least expect it sometimes too...

This is true. Perhaps an alien invasion would be the only thing that might have a chance of uniting humanity. Sad, isn't it?

Yes, very sad! I have a feeling it's going to take something that big though.

I agree with you. It has to be outside humanity, otherwise it will just be like it is now - human on human violence.

Yeah, for sure!

steaming pile of existential crisis

interesting ... I thought it was going to be about us realising that the whole aspirational thesis of capitalism - that it is possible for us to make a good/better life - was blown. I hadn't expected the faith direction.

that it is possible for us to make a good/better life

Whoever made the tech, must think we are like trying to teach a shark compassion.

I think you would probably like Billy Carson or Jason Jorjani. They talk about some pretty wild shit and I love listening to them with their takes on history. Some of it is that we aren’t the “smartest” or best humans that have lived and are likely on the 5th or 6th iteration of the human species. It really makes you question the history we are told - how long were the dinosaurs from us? “Trust the experts” when they fabricate the message to suit their needs? Fun mental shit to play with!

I think the whole alien thing is comical. There’s no way that we are the only intelligent life form out there. There’s more freaking galaxies than there are grains of sand. That’s nuts!

I think one of the sad things I realized is that we are likely not going to be able to travel the galaxies for a while because our bodies are so tied to and reliant on the earths atmosphere, sun, electrical energy and all kinds of stuff that if we were to be on a space voyage for 20 years we would likely fall apart at the current technology we know about.

Then there’s the thought that we live in a dome and the space station is a load of horse shit :D lots of fun theories to mess with!

Will have a listen at some point :)

There’s more freaking galaxies than there are grains of sand. That’s nuts!

So the "scientists" say! ;D

We can't even get out of our own solar system - getting out of the galaxy might require some kind of wormholing. If they are a thing...

I finally accepted. I think there are aliens or UFOs. In science fiction movies. :) Those who believe in simulation theory can also believe in the existence of UFOs.

You don't think there is anything else out there, that earth is the only planet with intelligent life? Might be true.

What do you think your reaction might be if it is proven to you there is extra-terrestrial life. Does it change any of your other beliefs?

I need to witness something to decide and believe in it. In that case, my belief may change.

In 2-3 decades, a telescope in space will detect in the spectrum of exoplanet atmospheres those elements that indicate signs of life. We will know exactly where there is primitive protein life (perhaps not only primitive).

I agree with you, people are not going to accept even the most irrefutable truth if it goes against their faith.

I was watching some video from England the other day showing hundreds of meters of dinosaur footprints through a quarry. That god is a wily tester of faith to go to so much effort for a deepfake, just in the off chance someone digs them up.

:) that is funny.

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This type of subject has always fascinated me, and I have seen several documentaries on Netflix about it, I also read the book Los Astronautas de Yavé by JJ Benítez, where he talks about Jesus Christ being an extraterrestrial put on earth, and when the bible talks about us being made in the image and likeness of God, it refers to a species of humans that has already evolved so much that they left this planet, in short there are so many things that one does not know what to think.

In some documentaries I have seen, they talk about us being prepared for an alien invasion that is coming, but it is nothing more than a parody of those who run the world, so if we were really ‘invaded,’ it would be hard to believe that it is true.

The truth is, many of us don't even believe in what we see anymore.

We won't have to repel an alien attack. They have known about this planet for a long time. People also don't fight ants.
UFOs exist, there is an otherworld with souls, the Universe is much deeper than modern science imagines

I've always thought there were aliens out there somewhere. As we slowly fill in the numbers in the Drake equation, it becomes statistically ever more likely. Why they'd come to a backwater part of the galaxy liek Earth is another matter entirely....

Of course, we don't know how advanced they are, but if they are able to come here they'll have to be more advanced than us. Either in terms of FTL travel, stasis technology or super-extended life expectancy.

If we want to know how that goes, we only have to look at what happened in the Americas (North, Central or South, the results were pretty much the same) when the Europeans turned up.